Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving

["Anthony Watkinson" <anthony.watkinson@btopenworld.com>]

As I see it Dr. Karasozen is complaining about the long time 
between the acceptance of the paper and the publication date. 
Surveys have shown that where there is academic enthusiasm for OA 
the backlog in many journals is a key reason.

Yet the majority of major journals that follow the subscription 
model make the accepted paper (usually in its definitive version 
after copyediting etc) immediately available on the web with a 
DOI for citation. Of course these papers are only available to 
subscribers. OA journals and those financed by subscriptions 
follow much the same route up to the point of putting final 
versions on the web except of course that for many OA journals 
payment has presumably to be made by the author (is that the 
case?) before the paper is released.

In addition a very large number of journals now use web-based 
online editorial system such as Manuscript Central to speed up 
both the submission process and the refereeing process. I 
appreciate that there is no reason why an electronic process 
should speed up refereeing but empirical evidence from any major 
problem will show that it does. Some how the refereeing gets 
prioritised by the scholars doing it. I assume that OA publishers 
also have these systems (do they?) and it has the same result for 
them.

OA advocates rightly complain about the myths used as arguments 
against them but this complaint (for major journals in most 
fields at any rate) invokes a myth when applied now to journals 
financed by subscriptions. I am aware that mathematics is 
different in many ways. For example refereeing does take longer. 
However mathematical publishers may be able to confirm or 
otherwise that these generalisations apply to them as they apply 
to fields with which I am now more familiar

Anthony

----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHANNES VELTEROP" <velteropvonleyden@btinternet.com>
To: <liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving 
mandates

> In scholarly, peer-reviewed journal publishing, embargoes and 
> copyright restrictions have only one function: to ensure that 
> journals can be sustained financially by selling subscriptions. 
> Take embargoes and copyright restrictions away, and journals 
> cannot be reliably and sufficiently sustained, because 
> subscriptions are likely to vanish.
>
> If one wants to get away from embargoes and copyright 
> restrictions there are basically two scenarios:
>
> 1) Disregard formal peer-reviewed journals and publish informally
> on the web.
> 2) Find a way to sustain formal peer-reviewed journals in a less
> roundabout way than subscriptions, by means that do not require
> embargoes or copyright restrictions.
>
> The possibility of scenario 2 is increasingly being offered now 
> (albeit not yet by all publishers or journals): sustaining 
> journals via a per-article charges for the service of formal, 
> peer-reviewed publication, also known as 'open access 
> publishing'.
>
> Jan Velterop
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bulent Karasozen <bulent@metu.edu.tr>
> To: liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May, 2007 4:32:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Russia and Turkey Register Green OA Self-Archiving
> Mandates in  ROARMAP
>
> I don't see any reason for embargos for posting accepted 
> articles on institutional repositories. The best way would be 
> to put the the peer reviewed version of the article immedialy 
> in the institutioanal repository. In disciplines like 
> mathematics the reviewing process takes about one year. 
> Publication of the accepted paper takes one to two years. 
> Within the time the articles loose their value if they are not 
> available for the scientific community.
>
> In the E-thesis repository of Middle East Technical University, 
> Ankara we have introduced the one year embargo for some thesis 
> due to patent applications. But we don't need it for accepted 
> articles and we will have no embargo rule for the articles.
>
> Bulent Karasozen
> Middle East Technical University
> Department of Mathematics & Institute of Applied Mathematics
> 06531 Ankara-Turkey