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Re: OA - What cost? What value?
I would like to thank Sandy very much for engaging with this
particular analysis and the recommendations on scholarly
communication and scientific publishing. For the benefit of this
list I will do my best to address the queries:
1. 'Trade' publishing: I was looking for a concept that would
convey that guild publishing (repositories) and trade
(commercial) publishing (journals and books) could be
complementary elements of scientific/scholarly publishing. If
trade publishing is a bad choice due to its set connotations,
then I would use the term commercial publishing. That said, I am
also open to further advice on how to conceptualise and describe
these two proposed (complementary) elements and to designate the
value-adding provided when (commercial, university, society)
publishers focus on certification and navigation services.
2. Books: Sandy is right that I was thinking mainly of research
articles. I think that the system may be adopted without much
further ado for book chapters when we are dealing with an edited
volume. In fact, I am doing this with colleagues - i.e. the book
chapters will be posted as working papers initially and then we
proceed to edit the book, with revisions, introduction and
conclusion. But that does not fully answer Sandy's query and his
concerns about the 'two cultures': Would other subscribers of
this list think that it is possible to disseminate books from
guild publishers (repositories)?
3. Certification: Certification processes for books and journals
and different types of books and journals may well be different
and diverge. I have some observations on this: a) When research
articles are posted to guild publishers and thus distributed to
colleagues, 'double-blind peer review' is not really any longer
sensible (most competent peer reviewers will have seen the
piece). Large communities in the natural and social sciences seem
to be happy with this; b) Some guild publishers employ metrics to
track and rank publications, these are interesting measures for
authors, readers and peers, and potentially raise the bar on the
quality of formal peer review (does it tell me anythig I cannot
already observe from a guild publisher?); c) If dissemination
were organised from guild publishers (repositories) and licensing
to commercial publishers non-exclusive, then - so my strategic
reflection - there would be more competitive pressure to improve
and diversify certification ! and navigation services. In sum: I
think we can already observe pressures to innovate with
certification and navigation and commercial publishers are
experimenting with new kinds of peer review and new kinds of
navigation services that are meant to principally serve readers.
Chris Armbruster
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From: owner-liblicense-l@lists.yale.edu on behalf of Sandy Thatcher
Sent: Wed 28/11/2007 05:08
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Subject: Re: OA - What cost? What value?
I have, belatedly, read two of Chris Armbruster's papers in which
he elaborates the view underling his comments below:
*Cyberscience and the Knowledge-Based Economy, Open Access and
Trade Publishing: from Contradiction to Compatibility with
Nonexclusive Copyright Licensing
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=849305
*Society Publishing, the Internet and Open Access: Shifting
Mission-Orientation from Content Holding to Certification and
Navigation Services?
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=997819
These indeed offer a very different perspective from what one
usually hears on this list, questioning whether Green OA and Gold
OA really make any sense and suggesting a new use for existing
copyright law rather than arguing for its reform. The gist of
Chris's argument, as I understand it, is that the logic of
scholarly communication recommends an approach that supports the
natural tendency of scholars to use disciplinary or
subject-specific channels for exchanging ideas. So, in his terms,
"guild publishing" makes the most sense, in contrast, say, with
larger aggregations of disparate materials collected in most
institutional repositories. His models are arXiv, the Research
Papers in Economics (RePEc), and the Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), which has recently added a Humanities
counterpart.
His argument turns on separating dissemination from
certification. Dissemination would occur immediately upon the
submission of a paper to such a guild-supported repository whose
contents would be openly available to everyone in the world. The
basic functions of such a repository would be to register a work
(which is important for establishing priority claims), archive
it, and disseminate it "open access." The process of
certification would extend over a considerable period of time and
involve a variety of different modes of validating quality and
value: "not just publication in prestigious journals, but also
keynote speeches, research grants, scholarly awards and,
ultimately, the Festschrift, the lifetime achievement award and
the Nobel Prize (or its substitutes)."
This system would require that nonexclusive licenses be used
instead of outright transfers of copyright as under the present
system. In this way, value-adding businesses could be built to
provide a variety of types of certification and to bundle
certified materials for use by other audiences outside the guild.
Chris calls this "layered certification." It would provide an
avenue for publishers, both commercial and nonprofit, to continue
offering services that would be valued in the marketplace and
therefore could be the basis for a viable business. Current
societies might, I suppose, do both: provide the basic "guild"
repository and support that cost from either membership dues or
value-added certifying services.
I think this approach makes a lot of sense, and it certainly
provides an interesting alternative to the other alternatives
that have dominated the debates. But I do have a few questions:
First, I am puzzled by Chris's use of the phrase "trade
publishing" to designate the value-adding type of business that
he foresees arising from a regime of guild publishing and
nonexclusive licensing. In the U.S. "trade" publishing has a
specific meaning, and it would appear not to be the kind of
business Chris really has in mind. Perhaps he can provide a
definition or use a different term that would not involve this
potential confusion.
Second, while I see this as an excellent model for the publishing
of articles, I am wondering how it applies to books. Chris at
various points seems to place book publishing outside of this
model, treating it as a realm where exclusive copyright transfers
still make sense. But then we end up with the bifurcation of
knowledge between books and journals that, ultimately, I do not
believe to be viable and runs counter to the very logic of
scholarly discourse that Chris has used to justify his preferred
model. What we would have here is another version of C.P. Snow's
"two cultures"--instead of the sciences and the humanities, the
divide would be between book-based and journal-based knowledge.
Third, I would be interested in Chris's views of how
certification for books might, or might not, differ from
certification for journal articles. I see a danger in relying
exclusively on peer review for the former as carried out by
"experts" within any given scholarly society, as it would tend to
bias certification in favor of established paradigm-supporting as
opposed to paradigm-challenging knowledge. The system of
certification that is employed by university presses employs peer
review as only one among several components; others include the
roles of the acquiring editor and the faculty editorial board,
which both bring distinctive "value added" to the process. This
cannot be replicated solely from within the confines of a
scholarly society. But I do applaud Chris's wide vision of what
can count as certification, and perhaps it could readily
incorporate this particular kind of value added as a unique
service that university presses perform (unique in that,. even
though some commercial academic publishers may employ peer
reviewers as part of their decision-making process, they do not
have faculty editorial boards advising them).
I apologize for this lengthy post, but it reflects my genuine
enthusiasm for Chris's special contribution to our debates, which
I am only now finally coming to appreciate fully.
Sandy Thatcher
Penn State Press